Here's some blogger news -- we (spouse included) are going to closing on a house this week in a neighborhood west of Gainesville (exurb country, but we don't commute). It's a bank foreclosure. After it sat on the market for about four months, we offered 10% less than their reduced asking price (it started out with an asking price 20% higher in April) and our offer was accepted. There were a few reasons for our decision to buy:
(1) The payments will equal the cost of renting;
(2) The house is priced 40% lower than the lowest price in the neighborhood 3 years ago when we looked there;
(3) We haven't owned a house in 3 years so we qualify for the first-time buyer tax credit of $7,500 (really an interest-free loan);
(4) We're fatigued with renting and some of the issues it brings;
(5) We like the neighborhood well enough and already know several families there.
We decided to go with an FHA loan from a smallish local bank. The seller (bank) is providing the rest of the closing costs (in essence, we are financing them). Of our own cash, only 3% is going down. Our interest rate is 6.0% with no points.
Perhaps our situation is somehow unique, because stories like this one from the AP don't jive with our relatively easy transaction:
Government rescue package will do little to help more homebuyers qualify for mortgagesIn the first quote, lamenting bygone days of $500 down is ridiculous, and it's what got us into this mess to begin with. While FHA's 3% is also risky, it's still available to buyers the last time I checked and is far less than 10% that Valerie says is necessary. The latter quote from Mr. Montalvo makes no sense at all. Interest rates have been falling and indeed are still at a historic low point for mortgages. And qualifications are finally realistic (our lender asked for our paystubs, W-2's, and bank statements -- standard stuff). I don't want the housing market to ever go back to "Stated Income, Stated Asset" loans, if that's what he means by realistic, because of the terrible economic aftermath that those have brought us.
"KANSAS CITY, Kansas (AP) -- By late Saturday afternoon, only three prospective homebuyers had visited the open house Valerie Morrill was hosting. The Prudential real estate agent recalled a year ago, she'd see 10 to 15 people during an open house in this midtown Kansas City neighborhood.
She said the government's efforts to bring stability back to the economy and the credit markets may help but she's seen no immediate improvement.
'It's just the buyer pool is so low,' she lamented. 'Eighteen months ago, you needed $500 to buy a house.' Now, all the special rates and government programs are gone, leaving buyers facing a 10 percent down payment. 'You have to have money and nobody has money'
. . .
'People want to buy. The problem is you can't get them qualified for financing because the lenders have tightened up so much that only people with the highest credit ratings get approved,' [flipper Marc] Montalvo said. 'We haven't seen the interest rates fall and the qualifications become more realistic.'
Back to the buying news -- feel free to agree or disagree with our decision. I do think the Northern Virginia area (especially the exurban part) has been experiencing some "clearance sale" exuberance, and the current buying spree could easily fall apart with the rest of the economy. But the market at this time is at least up on volume, which does help keep some local people employed. I called a local service company this week, and the lady I talked with said she was going to closing this week, too. I think there are some people who are feeling good about affording a house again. (With a caveat that foreclosure pricing is generally the most affordable at this point).
17 comments:
Let me be the first to congratulate you on your purchase. It sounds like you got a great deal.
It really is amazing just how much prices have dropped in just a couple years.
What are your plans for the place? Is it move-in ready or do you anticipate doing some renovations?
Congratulations.
I would prob. be seriously looking to buy, IF I knew I were staying there for more than 2 years. I still feel the market will come down some more, or the bottom will be long, i.e. prices are not going to rise for a while. But if you can get a great deal, and the stars are in line, sure.
And congratulations from me as well. It sounds as if you made a great buy and I hope you'll be very happy!
Does this mean you'll be closing down the website soon? :-)
Leroy,
Thanks! Yes, part of the reason the house's price was lower than others was that the former owners probably couldn't afford any renovations. They also commuted a long distance and had no time. But, it's only 18 years old and we had it inspected, so we think we're aware of the major issues (probably needs a roof in a few years, etc.) But a lot of it is cosmetic like painting (which we are old hands at), and we've found that there are some great deals on things like carpet installation from Lowes. (We picked out a basic nylon stainmaster, which we're going to like a whole lot better than the existing carpet). Lowes is the best deal around with a $240 whole-house installation which includes taking out the old carpet and moving furniture. The other issue is landscaping, which we also like to do ourselves. The house has some nice large ornamental trees in the front, but the woods are trying to eat the house up in the backyard.
What likely turned other buyers off was that the house was painted mustard, red, lavendar, light blue, and dark green in various rooms and had an old blue carpet to match.
gte,
Thanks and no we don't have any immediate plans to move. If we did, buying would not be desirable.
Ace, Thanks and no, you won't get rid of me that easily. :-)
harriet
Congratulations!!!
Sounds like a great plan. Foolish other buyers for being afraid of painting.
$240 for an entire house installation including moving furniture?? Good to know. That is a deal.
We just moved to our new apartment this weekend. My husband now reserves the right to not buy for 2 years rather than 1, just because it's so much work and hassle to move. I'll post about the move later, after we've unpacked the few fragiles we left to the movers. But for the time being, I can just say, I can neither reccomend nor really warn against Around the Clock Movers. It was fine, really, just not as good as it could be. Mostly because they apparently weren't kidding with the title and sent us a crew that was already on its last legs before they even started.
Cara,
I'm glad to hear you at least got settled in. It *is* a real hassle to move. After our first move I laid down on the floor and couldn't get up, I was so exhausted.
A kid from our local moving company said two years ago, "no offense, but I hope I don't see you again next year". This will be our fourth move in four years, which is ridiculous, but it is partly our fault because last year we kind of knew that the owners were going to sell the rental. We just liked it a lot and we were happy while it lasted.
Harriet,
Congratulations! And Thanks for continuing to maintain this blog.
No one should ever be able to lecture you on a decision you've made for obviously good and logical reasons.
When it gets right down to it, when is the right time to buy? When you find a place you like that is affordable. If that's the case, major congratulations! I hope to be there soon, but know I won't be--but we can still celebrate your success.
Congratulations. You are proof of something I was wondering about -- i.e. whether the local real estate market was still alive, and whether the banks were still doing deals. I would be interested in hearing that you got through settlement. I have heard reports the system has all but broken down, with banks hoarding any money they have and not making any transactions that they don't have to. Please let us know you got through settlement this week, or if it is postponed so the banks can see what Congress is doing. Thanks.
I'm sorry, this is just beyond hilarious to watch the echo chamber this blog is reduced to respond to this post...
Edward Allen,
You raise a question I've been pestering our loan officer about, but he is confident about the loan. The only possible minor delay we're hearing is from the seller's slowness over a few things, but we'll hear more tomorrow. The local settlement firm has worked with them before and has a good opinion of their ability to get things done. I *think* the seller is Bank of New York, but it's very mysterious.
Iran,
I'm quite open to disagreement and hope that no one feels compelled to agree with my decision. I've often congratulated people here for buying. We're all unique and circumstances vary widely among us. I'm the first one to raise my hand and say it might be the dumbest thing I ever did, but it doesn't really matter to me because I'm sure it's not the last mistake I'll ever make, if it is one. I remember getting a little grief three years ago for selling and renting, so I've learned you can't please everyone. :-)
"Harriet said
I've often congratulated people here for buying. We're all unique and circumstances vary widely among us. I'm the first one to raise my hand and say it might be the dumbest thing I ever did, but it doesn't really matter to me because I'm sure it's not the last mistake I'll ever make, if it is one."
Here here Harriet! As with the rest of the "echo chamber", let me congratulate you with your purchase. I have no doubt you made the right decision.
I say this because I know fully well you are informed about the risks involved. In my job, I advise people of the risk involved - yet the decision as to whether the act, or do not act is their own. Everyone has a different risk profile if you will - and no one else has the right to impose their risk tolerance upon the decisions of another.
I fell very confident you are aware of the risks - so again - congratulations. Do not concern youself with the occasional cat call of "knife catcher" or other nonsense. For some people, buying any time before or after the absolute trough is a foolish decision - thats fine (for them). But to assume that their decision is right for any one else is folly.
Regards....
>In the first quote, lamenting bygone days of $500 down is ridiculous, and it's what got us into this mess to begin <<
regarding zero down.
If a downpayment is large enough to get rid of PMI, and get you the best interest rate, it makes sense.
I bought a house in 1987, a multifamily, with a friend for $150,000, splitting all the costs. We put $15,000 down, financing the $135K balance. We lived there.
By 1989, prices had declined generally. The property was valued at roughly $110-115K and it remained in that range for nearly five years.
I had used considerable savings (and remember this is 1987 dollars) to buy this property, but was technically "underwater."
The downpayment I made in 1987 really made no difference to the outcome. Once housing prices began to recover, indexing with inflation , the value quickly went above the remaining mortgage balance (five years of payments cut this balance), but it took many years beyond that to reach a point where it could cover sale costs and provide enough return to make a sale worthwhile. By then, the initial 15% downpayment was irrelevant and its value shredded by inflation. It was an investment in an underperfoming asset.
Whether it is zero down or 3% down -- that's absolutely fine. The VA still issues loans at zero percent in part because it considers veterans to be better than average credit risks. Banks can do the same; credit risk isn't necessarily mitigated by the amount of downpayment; it can be also be mitigated by the amount of exposure and a large downpayment doesn't necessarily protect against exposure. If you move a lot of cash into a house that may still decline in value, you increase your exposure to financial risk and the lender may be less protected.
I don't think zero downs should be handed out recklessly, and clearly they were, but buyers should not risk putting excessive amounts of cash into a property in this declining market. They should take that money and invest it in something safer or throw extra money at the principal, if they feel they are in a good position to do so. They can adjust according to conditions.
And while there are those that argue that buyers need both -- lots of cash in the bank and lots of money for a downpayment -- I think that it is an excessively rigid approach that will push the idea of homeownership for young families further out. That's not a good outcome.
Harriet, do you mind my asking which local bank you decided to pursue your loan through?
(Feel free to email me if you don't want to post it in the open?)
Average peak to trough decline in a bear market for housing is 27%. Look at what comparable homes were selling at the market height (probably around 05). If you bought the home for at least 27% less the highest price you have done well!!
Jonathan,
Virginia Heritage Mortgage. They have branches in Fairfax, Chantilly, and Gainesville. Their mortgage office is in Chantilly.
I have been blown away with their customer service. Very prompt and lots of communication -- almost daily. Once I faxed something at 9:00 pm on a Sunday and got an e-mail response from one of the lenders saying thanks.
Some of the loan officers attend every closing in case there are questions.
Now, I know that each person has different experiences with any recommendation. This is just our personal experience at this time. But we first tried Navy Federal Credit Union and couldn't get any quick responsive feedback.
Harriet, thanks so much. I really appreciate the recommendation.
And congratulations on the new place.
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