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Here's a Bit for the Bucket...'Airport Business' Is a Ticket to Less TrafficJohn Van Vliet commutes from Harpers Ferry, W.Va., to Alexandria every day. And almost every day he stops at Dulles International Airport, not to catch a flight, but to buy a 99 cent cup of coffee at the sole gas station on airport property. He makes sure to get a receipt.That receipt, according to Van Vliet, allows him to drive on the nearly traffic-free Dulles Access Road, avoiding the tolls and traffic of the parallel Dulles Toll Road. It shaves about 50 minutes off his morning commute. Why doesn't he take one of the many jobs way-the-heck out there? Why doesn't he move to one of the many low rent or distressed and heavily discounted properties close-in? Isn't Alexandria and Arlington on sale? Why do people make this drive?Is it the terrific West Virginia public school system? Just some light hearted words, offered up for you to enjoy with your morning coffee. Lance. Here's a night vision color surveillance video camera kit. You can jack it into any VCR and most TV's. See who's at your front door from your home office.
Hi all,My wife and I are interested at this property and we will make an offer soon.MLS#: FX6784200http://www.vamlsrealty.com/ListingDetails.aspx?RowIndex=9&ListingID=1414352I would appreciate your comments on this property and this neighborhood area. How much do you think I should offer for this house? What do you think about the price trend in this area in the next 5 years up/down/or stay flat?Many thanks,HMT
kh,I have no idea. I agree with you that it's seemingly insane and unhealthy behavior (being stuck in a car that long). But, I guess, to each his own. Harpers Ferry *is* a very quaint and quiet place to live.
This has been going on a long time -- I had a co-worker who got their coffee at the airport every morning (Leesburg area to DC commute) in the late 90's. I'm suprised that whoever gets the money from the Dulles Toll road hasn't raised more of a stink about the practice.At some point, the practice will become overly abused enough to get someone to take action. But, I'm frankly surprised the scam has gone on successfully this long.
KH - maybe they don't want to uproot their kids? Maybe the spouse works somewhere nearby? Maybe they own their home outright? Maybe they like W.Va more than inside the beltway? Maybe they have a sick/elderly family member they want to be near? Maybe prices nearby are STILL too expensive to consider the move? Maybe their dream job happens to be in Alexandria? Maybe a whole lot of reasons.Honestly, your "light jab" doesn't look to be that light. :) We get what you are saying already...I still think prices will fall despite the "massive" allure of living within the beltway.Zeropointzero - it probably isn't abused enough to be a big deal. Considering it cost me $2.50 a day to use the toll road, I'm sure they aren't hurting.They should get rid of HOV and special access to Dulles airport...such a waste of road resources.
Responding to HMT's question about the Fairfax Neighborhood - I have several friends/co-workers who live in the general area, nice neighborhoods, BUT the traffic on Rt. 50 is some of the worst in NoVA, I would strongly recommend driving your daily commute a couple of times before making a decision to move there. I am sure there are several bloggers here who can give you a good opinion on housing values there, also try Redfin.com and trulia for information about comps and past sales. Good luck!pbj
Alexa, I expect that most people are starting closer in than WVa and going somewhere farther out other than Alexandria. Perhaps Leesburg to Tysons. So, in that, the Post story is a parody, an exaggeration of reality with an aspect of humor. It's telling though if people here are sensitive to stories like that.It's also interesting that the Post's piece mentioned someone else driving to Alexandria.
Hung, that house is in a fine area. I'd probably offer about $450,000, which would put the price between 2002 and 2003 levels. The current asking price is waaaaay too high.
HMT, the area out there is nice, but the traffic on rt 50 does get pretty crazy. I don't live out that way, but i pass through often.Since you're putting in an offer, i assume you've already been there and know it's on a pipestem lot that backs up to rt 50: bird's eye view . I'm not a fan of having to share a driveway with another house or dealing with traffic noise from a major road like rt 50, but that's just my preference. Not sure if you have small children...i would be worried about them wandering over to the main road from the back yard.Also, it might be a short sale, but i can't tell from the listing. The current owner paid $473,153 in 2001, then another sale was recorded for $0 in 2005 to the same owner. Might be a refi or heloc. If it is a short sale, there are others on here that can share their experiences with you (not fun).01/06/2005 - $0 (seller and buyer the same).02/01/2001 - $473,153The 2008 tax assessment is $716,650. That doesn't mean much, but it's one more piece of information for you.What do you think about the price trend in this area in the next 5 years up/down/or stay flat?I wish i knew :) It's hard to say what it'll be like 5 years from now. The current trend for the area is down and i haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe it's headed up anytime soon.I hope this helps.hog
I'm not really that sensitive to it...I just like people to think about it logically. This whole gas/commute/beltway argument is just too played out already. I think it has more to do with the community, housing design, and what cultural/whatever activities are around that you want. This is why some people prefer Leesburg over DC, for example.My commute is in reverse and at 5:30AM. I do run into traffic coming home sometimes. :( Oh well, I don't work a 5 day a week job.
kh, I suspect your assumption that people are 'sensitive' on the subject is about as accurate as your many other assumptions about people you consider 'bubbleheads'.I see you are not really looking for answers, but the one or two people I've known who commuted from that far -- or even farther in one case-- were older guys in construction. They'd gone through lots of up and down periods. When construction work dried up here, they went elsewhere. When it dried up everywhere, they went home to their cheap, paid off houses. If they'd bought $500,000 houses in the DC area, like some of my husband's young co-workers, they would also be contributing to the foreclosure statistics right now.
"On a typical day, by 7 a.m. the Exxon station on the airport grounds is rocking with business. All the pumps are in use and lines in the convenience store are often six or seven people deep. It is a strange scene, because the station is on a small road in an industrial part of the airport. And gas stations on airport grounds, near car rental return areas, are hardly known for cheap prices."$0.99 for a cup of coffee is about as cheap as it gets. The gas station owner should be charging $4/cup.alexa said: "This whole gas/commute/beltway argument is just too played out already. I think it has more to do with the community, housing design, and what cultural/whatever activities are around that you want. This is why some people prefer Leesburg over DC, for example."I wouldn't move my family to DC for any price. There are many nice areas in the city, but it's just not my thing.Might be an interesting poll:"If you didn't have to worry about price, where would you live?"a) DCb) Arlingtonc) Falls Churchd) Fairfaxe) Loudonf) PWCg) Further outhog
hog--Of your list, I'd definitely choose Arlington first. If you added Alexandria I'd put that first.That's in VA. From the greater DC area, I'd probably choose Rockville, Springfield or Gaithersburg within walking distance of a metro in order to be within easy reach of DC and close to the rest of my family.
I think some already know what I would choose - Old Town Alexandria. :) There is no other area like it I know of in NOVA.
"kh, I suspect your assumption that people are 'sensitive' on the subject is about as accurate as your many other assumptions about people you consider 'bubbleheads'."kh likes the idea that everyone wants to live in Alexandria and seems to take pride in the fact that she knows next to nothing about the western part of the city."I said, it's[Warrenton] too far to get out more than a few times a decade. I talk to them on the phone."-kh 11/27/07Whatever keeps her real estate fantasy going...
hung: I wouldn't pay a dime over $560k for it.And since it's right on RT 50, I'd be reluctant to pay even that much. I guess it depends on how good the earthen berm is at black the view and noise from the traffic.
Hwy. 50 is one of the worst eyesores of the DC metro area. It reminds me of run-down and dirty areas back home.There are many old, unkempt areas that need to be cleaned up around here. Not sure why there aren't more beautification efforts. A lot of metropolitan areas in the US have made great strides to clean up the 'dingy' in their more mature commercial districts.Much of the DC metro area needs to take a long look at itself. It epitomizes dingy. Are there citizen groups committed to beautification for some of the close-in areas outside of the District? Parts of Arlington are making great efforts, but many areas are still nasty. Storefronts that look like old A&P buildings someone has forgotten litter the landscape.I live in a very new area where things are fairly pristine at this point, but it will be ratty in 10 years if citizens don't put effort into keeping it cleaned up. I won't be here in 10 years, but I hope to be somewhere where people are bothered by run-down over-commercialized areas.
hung: that place looks like a whole lot of misery to me. Rte. 50 is a major artery and a real pain to drive in rush hour or out of rush hour. I doubt I could get over the heartburn of living near that highway even if I got that place for $450,000. As for 5 years, who can possibly predict. It doesn't look promising now, but that could change. If you love it, gotta have it, and plan to live in it for 20 years, you shouldn't get badly burned. p.s. there are a lot of places offering more for less than that one.
I really appreciate all your opinions and comments about that property.I know that the traffic is very bad on rt 50, but it will be only 5mi (ie. 20 min) from where I work (and do not plan to change job in the next few years).A week ago I made an offer of $620K for a similar property with more upgrades in that neighborhood: 13002 Muirfield Lane, VA 22033 and was outbidden. So, I planned to bid 610K on that property this. time. However, some of you have expressed that it was even an overprice at 560K. That concerns me. It would be ok to me if the property value decreases another 5% in the next few years but not 10% or more.Hmmm, does it mean I should wait for the price to come down further?
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